Multiscale integration: beyond internalism and externalism

hello and welcome to the active inference live stream my name is daniel friedman and this is going to be a solo discussion if you're a new listener or not welcome to team com we are an experiment in online team communication and learning related to active inference you can find us on twitter at inferenceactive at activeinference gmail.com on key base via our public team or our youtube channel this is a recorded and archived live stream so please provide us with feedback so that we can improve our work all backgrounds and perspectives are welcome here and also as far as video etiquette goes remember to mute if there's noise in the background raise your hand if you have a question and so on here we are in act imp stream number 5.0 we're kind of exploring with the numbering system so give us any feedback as far as what kinds of numbers or what kinds of shows might be helpful for your learning but the goal for this discussion is to set the context for active in stream 5.1 in 5.1 we're going to discuss the paper multi-scale integration beyond internalism and externalism by ramstead at all 2019. the goal of this video is really to contextualize some of the ideas the historical threads and the vocabulary that will help you either read or work with the ramstead paper uh in terms of other fields that you might be more familiar with or just to sort of connect ideas and thus ground your understanding and your practice so i come from a different background from the author so i have a slightly different perspective on perhaps even the implications of the paper so the goal here is really just to explore that so that whether you listen to this by itself and you're looking to sort of see where active inference is trying to relate itself to other philosophical ideas or whether you're coming from the active inference side and you want to understand some of the broader philosophical questions that are being addressed potentially by active inference in both those cases i hope this is an interesting video for you so here are a few of the topics that we'll be exploring here the first one is top-down and bottom-up causation and that's going to be an introduction to multi-level systems as well as thinking about causal modeling also next we'll talk about and raise some questions related to partitioning between internal and external cognition which is certainly the wedge or the main issue that the ramps that at all paper is going to be focused on and then we'll talk about a few different perspectives on systems modeling and action that's sort of action and inference if you will but there's also been a lot of philosophical thought on systems modeling as well as action so we can kind of see how those two fields might come together in the field called active inference and next time in number 5.1 we will all come together everybody who wants to can always get in touch with us we will all come together and discuss the paper to whatever extent we've read it whatever we thought about it any questions that we wanted to address any of our background knowledge uh any of our perspectives that we bring to the paper those are all cool things to come about in 5.1 and if you're listening to this after 5.1 has happened you can either listen to 5.1 or you could get in touch with us to be on a future discussion so next time in 5.1 we're going to be talking about the figures to abstract etc in this paper by ramstead at all called multi-scale integration beyond internalism and externalism and that's in the journal synthes in 2019 so the goal of that paper and the only quotes from the paper that are going to be in this video are just from the introduction and abstract just so that we can ground the ideas more specifically in what ramps that at all frame their work asp so the goal of the paper in the author's words was we focus on making explicit a description of the boundaries of cognitive systems that we think follows from taking seriously the inactive embodied and…