Textbook Group meeting for Parr, Pezzulo, Friston 2022 .

All right. Welcome back. Cohort 4. This is our second discussion of Chapter 10. Next week will be our final week overall. So we'll talk about future textbook groups, give a little time, or people can fill out the forms now for feedback. They can add feedback. There's a lot of other pieces that we can talk about, but this will be the last recorded conversation. So nice times. Let's go to 10. And does anybody want to begin with any question or we'll look at what's already been written? So, you know, I have to ask questions. Kind of general. Since I'm new to this process, one of the questions that I wish I had asked you sooner was, and as we participate and contribute to, and this process, are there certain things that you would like to see? That the authors would like to see? So what I'm wondering about, like in terms of feedback that we did add through time is, you know, are they concerned about, you know, what audiences they're trying, attempting to reach? Are they concerned about what principles, what concepts might go over people's heads and make them turn away completely collectively and friends prematurely? So that's one question that's general. The second question we have is, and I put, I added a row in the code. I was thinking that if one of the objectives of this book is to have people who don't have the physics background walk away thinking, I would like to apply this to the work that I'm doing. And of course, this is very selfish because that's basically describing itself. So if, if we don't want to lose people, could there be a document somewhere? And if it exists, let me know where it basically has a list of, okay, in order to understand, to fully understand, and I'm just going to say this energy principle as an example, in order to fully understand the three energy principle, here is a pathway of knowledge that you need to complete. And it goes in a sequence from, you know, concept A to concept N. And then you have the concept, equations, if, if the concept comes with equations. And then just very succinctly described, you need to know this, and you need to know this, and then links to videos and resources online. So that basically a person can follow a self-directed learning pathway. And one of the things I've done over the past week is just, I decided I want to take a deep dive into the free energy principle. Where did it come from? Who came up with it? How did they use it? Do they use it in business, in engineering, et cetera? And I have found this really helpful. So that was my main topic for today. Thanks. Okay. I'll give short responses to each and then anyone else can add. So what, what, what, with the authors like Pard, Pazula, and Friston, I mean, they're happy that we're enlivening and, and working with the textbook. We started doing it obviously like the first day that we could, and we've given them feedback on little typos and minor things, but also people have engaged with them on more substantial topics. And they, as authors and as the publishing company, they're, they're at least open to our proposals. There's no questions in the textbook. And that one textbook isn't the be all end all. So it's definitely, I think great to see how we can serve the authors and also the broader niche. And in terms of like all backgrounds in the generalized learning curriculum, like this textbook group is low efforts. All things considered, we don't have to prepare the materials. And especially now having gone through it multiple times, we just show up and enjoy it. But the broader project of making knowledge spaces so that people can have self-guided and have that be like across different languages and technical backgrounds. I mean, that's the educational project that the Institute is working on. So for that, we just need people who are seriously committed to actually engage in that. So for that, at a slightly smaller scale, Oli, I believe in the resources page, this list of papers goes from, from less formal to more…