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All right, hello and welcome. It is February 5th, 2025, and we're in MathArchStream11. Feedback welcome. So, Octopus, if you'd like to say hello, please begin. Otherwise, we'll pick up where we were just seconds ago. Yeah, I'd like to say hello. So I'm Octopus. Some of you may know me. I'm a mathematician, security researcher, and chaos magician. My different titles and roles that I play at different times. And I've collaborated with Daniel and Active Inference Institute in the past. Excited to do so again. To give you an idea of what we're going for, this is my current setup. I have... I'm on two different accounts in Zoom. I have two cameras here. Two web cameras plus the internal camera. So two accounts, four cameras. I have two screens that are behind each other. One is a television screen, one is a laptop screen. And I have a mirror behind me that may or may not be able to be used. So I don't have any preconceived patterns of how we use these things, but I just think it'd be fun to play with different things. Okay. We have a few tools, a few links ready. Got some slides, some Active Inference, possible visualizations, and some really interesting work that you're involved in with multi-agent modeling. So please. I just think... So, also, there is the YouTube LiveChat Operator panel. So the LiveChat... and I'm continuing to rearrange the windows, but it won't always be shared. I'll just be reorganizing the windows, bringing OBS on, which can kind of always yield this terminating static feedback loop, infinite static. And also the live chat where I hope we will have interesting feedback welcome. So with that, and I'm going to be continuing to get the views and everything, so bear with us. We were paused and began on this idea of feedback and delayed reentry. And with a question about where and why and how is audio feedback different than visual feedback? So maybe where does that take you and I'll put up what I can. Yeah, so a couple of things that brings up for me. One is that I've done those experiments. I've done those experiences since. And right now I'm doing that experience because I'm hearing the audio feedback from the phone. But it is extremely disorienting. So if you see the video feedback, you can probably hear the audio feedback from my phone as I'm hearing the echo on myself. And I find it very, very difficult. Like I couldn't, I could not produce a coherent stream of thought in this type of environment. But my strategy right now is to delay so that there's a chance for the feedback to die out. And I'm not doing it directly in my ear, which I think would also greatly stuff. But the strategy that I found that I can use sometimes and have used in the past when I did similar experience was to speak very slowly so that it almost sounded like the feedback I was receiving was occurring at a clearer delay from the signal that I was generating. So when I speak very slowly like this, I don't find it as disorienting. And in fact, I tried to record a song this way back when I was doing recording music as something I was pursuing. And I found that it produced something of a very interesting effect. And the other thing that I found helpful was to intentionally adjust my timbre so that the body resonance gave me a different kind of signal beyond what I was hearing on the audio itself. But I agree with you that it is extremely disorienting. However, I've, I've heard some different perspectives on that. And one of the perspectives is that if you're playing an instrument, it's actually a very intriguing experiment to hook a synthesizer up to an audio output and to put it through a delay so that you're hearing something different than what you were, like what you're playing at that moment is not what you're hearing. You're hearing what you're hearing, you're hearing what you played a few seconds ago, then people who do this often find based on what I remember being told, I need to find sources for this. But that that can feel…